The last place you’d think to see an interview with two of the hottest producers in the world is most definitely PBS.

Nothing ever happens on PBS. It’s the channel you used to watch Arthur on, and nowadays that little bitch Caillou is on PBS. Other than that, they have boring nature shows my dad likes to watch.

But this Charlie Rose interview with Wesley ‘Diplo’ Pentz and Sonny ‘Skrillex’ Moore gives one of the most in depth looks inside two of the greatest minds in the music world today.

One thing that becomes very clear throughout the 28-minute romp (a little long, but worth putting on in the background at least) is how open Skrillex and Diplo are to creativity. As evidenced by the art they make themselves, and the art they find and put out on their labels, it makes a lot of sense how trivial it seems for them to test boundaries.

Their success is all due to this open-mindedness and the drive they have to simply get good music to as many people as possible.

Diplo declares in this video that he doesn’t even consider himself a musician. But they’re still artists.

Diplo and Skrillex both get it. They actually understand the fact we live in a day and age where you don’t have to understand how to play an instrument at all really, let alone well. They also understand the generation their music appeals to has the attention span of a goldfish.

Anyone can copy a sound they heard from another artist. But if you can create something that no one’s heard before, or something no one else has even been fathomed before, then you’ll attract a ton of positive attention because people want more. These are the people that try and copy that sound until something new comes out.

Diplo and Skrillex are pioneers. They know their shit, they know how the business works, and they’re very good at getting the stuff they like out to the general population. That’s probably why they have very similar approaches in running their businesses (Skrillex is the label head of OWSLA and Diplo runs Mad Decent).

Fortunately for the world of electronic music, instead of pitting their respective independent labels against each other—two of the biggest in the world—they decided to come together in order to achieve a common goal.

And achieving they are.

Watch the full interview here: